MARGARET WARNER: It's been three months since Israel's withdrawal from
the Gaza Strip, leaving the Palestinians in charge of that desperately
poor territory for the first time in nearly 40 years.
But withdrawal brought little improvement for Gaza's 1.3 million people
because there was no provision to let them travel to or trade with the
rest of the world through borders still controlled by Israel.
That changed on Tuesday with an agreement hammered out at an all-night
session in Jerusalem, mediated by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
and Special Envoy James Wolfensohn.
CONDOLEEZZA RICE: This is agreement is intended to give the
Palestinian people freedom to move, to trade, to live ordinary lives.
For the first time since 1967, Palestinians will gain control over
entry and exit from their territory.
MARGARET WARNER: The deal followed months of painstaking negotiations
between top Israeli and Palestinian leaders brokered by former World
Bank President Wolfensohn. He's the U.N. Special Envoy to help Gaza
revive economically.
At one point he and some wealthy friends put up $14 million of their
own money to buy money-making Gaza greenhouses from Israelis and give
them to Palestinians.
But Wolfensohn quickly hit a logjam between the Palestinians' demands
for free movement of their workers and export crops and the Israelis'
demand for security from Gaza-based terrorists.
The result was that post disengagement, Gaza's three main border
crossings into Egypt at Rafah, and into Israel through Karni and Erez,
were closed more often than they were open.
Last month Wolfensohn sent a bleak assessment of his progress to Kofi
Annan, conceding the Palestinians hadn't done enough on security, but
criticizing the Israelis for stalling talks, and quote, "almost acting
as though there has been no withdrawal." Now with two states'
agreement, the first of the border openings is due to take place next
week.
Gaza's future
MARGARET WARNER: For more on the Gaza deal and Gaza's future, we're
joined now by Special Envoy James Wolfensohn. Mr. Wolfensohn, welcome.
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Thank you.
MARGARET WARNER: Congratulations.
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Thank you so much.
MARGARET WARNER: Why was it so important to get this deal for Gazans to
be able to travel and trade?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Well, as you know, Prime Minister Sharon withdrew
Israeli presence from Gaza. But if it were left without access or
egress, it would be like a prison. And so what was important was to
create an environment and the physical possibilities of people and
goods moving in and out of Gaza. And that is what we achieved -- plus a
linkage between Gaza and the West Bank.
So crucial to the future of the Gazan people is a sense of hope, a
sense that they are able to earn money, that they can trade. And that
is the sequence that was followed. And that's why we were very happy to
have the agreement just two or three days ago.
MARGARET WARNER: So how much -- what will the agreement -- or how much
will it do to ease Gazans' isolation?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Well, when it is carried forward, it will have a
number of parts. First it will have a border with Egypt which is the
so-called Rafah Crossing.
Then there will be a tripartheid border with Israel, Egypt and the
Palestinian territory of Gaza, which is Karin Shalom.
And then there will be a series of others that are opened to access and
egress from Israel to Gaza. There will then be a linkage between Gaza
and the West Bank that will be carried out with trucks and with buses.
There will also be access in the West Bank.
We're also discussing a port which will be approved in the next 14 days
-- work to go on the airport. And so these things together bring about
possibility for the Palestinians to lead a more normal life.
MARGARET WARNER: Now what did the Israelis get out of this on their
security concerns?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Well, the balance is always between Israeli security
and freedom and hope for the Palestinians. And so the reason that it
took so long was to try and bring about a secure situation for the
Israelis because they were unused to seeing the Palestinians have open
doors -- and at the same time, to not inhibit the Palestinians from
having a sense of freedom.
We've come to that balance with the introduction also of the Europeans
who have agreed to come in and act as a monitor in the Rafah Crossing.
And that's the first time that the Europeans have been in an official
capacity for a very long time. And so that was another extremely
important aspect of these negotiations.
Terrorism threats
MARGARET WARNER: This does put a lot of responsibility on the
Palestinians. What happens the first time, and there probably will be a
first time, that a terrorist gets himself or his bomb material through
one of these crossings?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Well, I think you know that on each side there is a
majority of people -- the Palestinians and Israelis -- who want to
bring about peace -- who want to have a centrist view, if you like.
But at the extremities of the Palestinians and Israelis, there are
people that don't want to see this happen. Now what we don't want to do
is to be hostage to the extremes. And what I was delighted to see in
the ten days I was in Israel, that the Israeli chief of staff said for
the first time that --.
MARGARET WARNER: The military.
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Yes, the military chief of staff, would -- made a
statement that in the event of a terrorist problem, that there should
not be immediately the reaction to close the borders because that in a
way empowers the terrorist.
So I anticipate that unless there is an immediate threat, you will have
a strong military reaction, but you will have a continuity of trade.
And that's going to be the first time that that sort of setup exists.
Negotiation process
MARGARET WARNER: That letter you wrote to Kofi Annan a month ago
expressed a lot of frustration. And then Monday night you were quoted
as having said in Israel, you know, you have to decide what you want to
do. If you want to blow each other up, I have a very nice house -- you
named where your houses were -- and I will watch with sadness as you do
it. Were you ready to quit if this didn't happen?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Well, I was frustrated because I had been working on
the same points for seven months. And there is a limit to anyone on the
outside of the negotiation being able to make a decision for people on
the inside of the negotiation.
So I was concerned particularly because there are two elections coming
up. The Palestinian election on the one hand, Jan. 25, and rumors and
subsequently the reality that there is likely to be an election for the
Israelis sometime in the next three, four, five months; and I was
concerned that unless we finalize these negotiations, we would go into
a period of drift.
MARGARET WARNER: How important was it to get Secretary of State Rice's
personal involvement? She even delayed her trip to South Korea to stay
on this.
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: I think it was very important. I think the role of an
envoy can set things up. But at the last minute when you are really
trying to get people to decide, there is no doubt that the secretary of
state of the United States has more clout than any envoy.
And so I was extremely happy that she came in. And she did her job
very, very well. We worked very closely together. We stayed up all
night, which is traditional in these sorts of things. And she was able
to announce an agreement just before she took off for Korea.
MARGARET WARNER: And do you think her personal involvement is a model
for what it is going to take to get any larger agreements?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Probably. I think when you have two people -- two
peoples, the Palestinians and the Israelis, that lack a sense of trust
for each other, it's really important to have a person in the person of
the secretary of state who comes in and essentially blesses the deal
and gives assurances to each side.
Now I think we can make a lot of progress if there is an implementation
of the agreements that we have now undertaken taken by each side. But
the crucial element is to build mutual confidence and then back it up,
frankly, with the United States and now the Europeans to have the
participants know that this thing is going to work.
Opening trade
MARGARET WARNER: Finally, you are really to be the economic tsar of
this Gaza operation. And you did get the G-8 countries to pledge $3
billion this past summer for economic development. But this is such a
poor region, maybe the poorest in the Arab world. What needs to happen
next to really kick-start, get the Gazans a chance at some kind of real
economic life?
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Well, that is because the G-8 promised to be part of
the $3 billion. We have to get money from the Middle East and the
United States as part of that.
What needs to be done, I think, is to first of all open up the
possibility of trading. There is no sense with one million, three
hundred thousand people in Gaza to have them trade with each other. The
largest trade is already with Israel.
But the possibility of trade with the outside world, with Egypt now
that you have the Rafah Crossing, to go through the West Bank to
Jordan, these are all the things that are necessary. And I think
possible. You need to create an environment for trading.
MARGARET WARNER: Special envoy James Wolfensohn, thank you.
JAMES WOLFENSOHN: Thank you so much.
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